Is Learning Picking Up All About Manipulation?
They think that people like Mystery and David Deangelo are frauds, who are corrupt and teach men how to manipulate women.
They make comments like … we don’t fall for this stuff. People who use these techniques on us and it doesn’t work.
Well I can say .. is that if you had an advanced PUA approach you and hit on you … you would not even know what hit you.
What irritates me the most is that these women, who know nothing from nothing about the pick up scene or seduction, make all these wild accusations and assumptions about the men who learn this stuff.
What they don’t understand is the difference between the logical/rational and the emotional/illogical.
So I’m here to educate. But first lets have in mind the question.
Who does this PUA stuff really benefit, if anyone at all?
So here is a compilation from the blog Attraction Chronicles.
I have listed some comments that females made about David D and what I said in response it.
Lisa’s post: “First of all, the majority of the regular members here are women. The women here will tell you that David Deangelo’s crap doesn’t work. Therefore, you clearly don’t know what works with women. Maybe Double Your Dating works with brainless skanks who just want a one night stand, but it doesn’t work with women with any intelligence or sense of self-worth. If that’s the type of person you want to be, and want to be with, then yay for you. However, that’s not what this site is about. I suggest you move on down the web… Contrary to what you say and believe, the type of guy I wanted is the kind who isn’t so insecure that he has to read a manual to “get chicks.” The type of guy who doesn’t want to “get chicks” or “double his dating”, but to have a real relationship with a real woman. Well, whaddya know. I just described my husband.”
Serendipity’s post: “The reason I worry about it? One because David Deangelo is taking advantage of vulnerable guys with no self esteem. Second, because I am sick to death of being hit on by guys using these kind of stupid techniques. Fortunately, I can usually get rid of them, but it’s annoying and demeaning… Possibly this sort of corny rehearsed cocky shit works if you’re looking for some drunken brainless skanky ho to have a one night stand in a club with. Not so much if you’re looking for a real relationship with a real, intelligent, educated, non-shallow woman. I am one, I think I would know.”
Susan’s Post: I first have to admit I have not read ALL of David’s book, but have a very personal friend who decided to try this after his 2nd divorce. I would like to thank David for turning a loving, caring, successful man & father into a total JERK!! Yes, he was somewhat insecure before, but in order for him to gain this extroverted ,”Cocky & Funny” and shit attitude, he started drinking again after 11 YEARS SOBER!! Nice work David!!!I think there are enough “Bad Boys” out there (I have dated enough of them ) that David doesn’t need to add more to the male race.
I am a good looking, intelligent woman, and if someone came up to me and acted the way you suggest I wouldn’t give him the time of day. I think this crap would work on the younger girls ,as they don’t have a lot of guy experience, but using it on a woman who is mature.. FORGET IT. Seems all this crap is good for is for men to find a quick “Hump and Dump” not a loving , lasting relationship!!But I guess we all have to make a buck somehow and if David DeAngelo can live with himself selling this crap to the men with low self esteem and lack of social skills kudos for him, he has just joined the ranks of slimy con artist and I wouldn’t want to be him when he meets his maker!!
Hot Alpha Female’s Post: You know the reason why chicks cant stand David D? Coz what he has to teach works and these chicks are falling for his students left right and center.
Don’t know what’s wrong with these women. I love David D for what he is, what he teaches and ultimately for the great value that he gives to his students, his people and his clients.
I personally think that David D is doing a favor for all girls out there. Because he is helping the NICE guys gets noticed. He is putting more loyal and genuine guys out there who want to find a girlfriend and be happy.
He isn’t about producing sleaze bags. Although maybe some guys have mastered his techniques and are abusing his rules a bit. But hey there are always some exceptions to the rules.
Like heaps of people have commented on here. The main thing that David D teaches is self confidence. I believe that is the only thing that really holds back a guy in the dating world.
He teaches you the skills that your dad should have taught you. He is the coach that you never had.
I mean I cant speak from the perspective of him being my personal coach. But I have seen many of my friends (male) who have gone through the program and just in general come out at better, more interesting and more confident people.
If you went through a David D program and that is the only thing you got out of it .. a boost in self confidence, well I still think that he would have given you something highly invaluable.
What do you guys reckon? Is becoming A PUA all about manipulation? Or do you believe that these self help gurus are actually really changing people’s lives for the better? What have been some of your experiences?
Hot Alpha Female